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Being for God or With God

Am I for God or with God? This troubling question was brought up via a book by Skye Jethani, “With: Reimagining the Way We Relate to God.” Skye breaks down our interaction with God into five possible interactions.

  • Life under God – I am a sinner.
  • Life over God – I am a manager.
  • Life from God – I am a consumer.
  • Life for God – I am a servant.
  • Life with God –?

LIFE (BLANK) GOD

Life under God is a life full of accomplishing great things to please God. Is the quality of your salvation predicated on the quality of your gifts to God? It believes Devine Will is at the center of all things. Life over God is living by divine laws, rules, and rituals, each designed to qualify us for inclusion into God’s Kingdom. This interaction says that natural laws and principles are at the core. Life from God is believing that God exists to supply what we desire or need. It is about praying and receiving. Everything is of God; therefore, my life asks Him for things, and He decides what to give me. This interaction puts me at the center of everything. Life for God is about proclaiming His glory as the primary attribute to receiving grace. It has mission work and service at its core.

It is easy for me to visualize being in any one of these interactions. I am a sinner, there is no doubt. Rituals permeate my prayer life, bible reading, and churchgoing. I ask and want things from God and sometimes question my value based on the results. Obedience to His call is always at the forefront of my mind. I have been convinced over time that it is a form of worship to use God’s gift to me for His kingdom.

We express faith in Christ so God can forgive our sins, but it is done to get either a ticket to Heaven or a pass out of hell. It is safety by appeasing God with our behavior. God is a means to an end, not a treasure.

LIFE WITH GOD

Luke 12:34, “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

So, what does a life with God look like? Being with someone connotates an understanding of what they are all about. Skye says Life with God entails treasuring, uniting, and experiencing God all in the moment. I see God as the enormous, all-knowing, all-seeing, time-independent author of the universe. Who am I that I could be with God? What possible contribution could I make?  

John Piper said, “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above savoring God.”  Dallas Willard says, “The treasure we have in Heaven is also very much available to us now. We can and should draw on it as needed, for it is nothing less than God himself and the wonderful society of His Kingdom even now intertwined in my life.”

Life with God is the contiguous interaction with God every moment of our lives. It is a constant dialog with or without words. God becomes the object of your existence. In Matthew 13, Jesus talks about a man who, when he found a treasure in the field, sold all he had to acquire that field. To have a Life with God is to sell out of your worldly life to acquire a greater treasure in Christ. God is not the means of getting our treasure; He is the treasure.

GOD IS THE TREASURE

It is not about following the rules, being kind, earning blessings, or getting to Heaven. It is about selling out to God as the only value in your life.

Romans 8:32, “He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?”

He knows what we need; he is not insensitive to our situation. But he is not here to build treasures here on earth. He is the treasure. It is great to dream of a life with no pain, loved ones around us, and eternal bliss, but without the treasure, it is meaningless. Can you live for Christ without anticipating Him rewarding you for your effort? Is salvation about eternity in Heaven, or is it eternity sitting at the feet of Christ?

Colossians 2:3, “In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
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Would it still be Heaven?

Would it still be Heaven if Christ was not there? Is our perception of Heaven our “Happy Place,” or is it the dominion of all things good and righteous? It is a holy place on a hill where we show appreciation for all God has done, or is it the better of two alternatives? Would it still be Heaven if our creator and savior were absent?

If there were no hell, the loss of Heaven would be Hell. – C.H. Spurgeon

If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?

In this case, a falling tree would generate vibrations in the air that we perceive as sound if an observer were nearby. Some argue that sound is a phenomenon that exists independently of human perception, while others suggest that it requires a perceiving mind to interpret and define it.

If you could have all the attributes of Heaven, but Christ was not there, would you still want Heaven? You could have a life for eternity without pain, suffering, hunger, fear, disease, depression, or guilt. You would be in the eternal presence of all your loved ones, fully healed physically and mentally. But there would be no Christ. Would it still be Heaven? Does Heaven exist independent of human perception of salvation?

The first two legs of this stool are: is there a God, and does eternity exist?

Is There a God?

We have crossed this bridge many times. God makes His presence evident through His creation. Through His creation, we should seek Him, and in seeking Him, find Christ.

Job 12:7-10, "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind."

God makes finding Him very simple. Ask the animals, birds, and fish, and they will teach you. Those who read my posts know that I love the outdoors. It is where I feel the closest to God because I see tangible evidence of His existence. Try to understand the universe; you must expect at least a sovereign power.

Side note:  The observable universe, the part we can see and measure, is estimated to be about 93 billion light-years in diameter. There are 5.88×1012 miles in one light year.

Does Eternity Exist?

Eternity is a complex question for humans because of our limited knowledge. For example, the Hafele-Keating experiment placed precise atomic clocks on fast-moving airplanes or in high gravitational fields and showed time differences compared to clocks at rest. Even the Big Bang Theory does not deal with time before the Big Bang; it deals only with the time associated with the creation of our known universe.

So, does eternity exist? My uneducated answer is that we have yet to discover limiting factors to time. We don’t know what we don’t know, but we know that time extends longer than we can conceive. Weird question to ponder: what are the implications of time being finite? What would happen if time stopped? One of the critical aspects of time is that it measures movement. Would movement stop? If movement stops, does thought stop?

The bigger question is, does time stop for me? Is death the end of my time? Do I cease to exist in any form? God made this promise to us.

1 John 2:25, "This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life."

If you accept that there is a God, you should accept what he says as accurate. Any entity that can create the universe, and much more not seen by us, has no reason to lie to mere humans. It would serve no purpose.

2 Corinthians 4:18, "while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal."

Time is the invisible hand of existence. If you do not believe you have an eternal soul, then believing in salvation is impossible. What would God be saving you for?

What Were we created for?

Today’s last leg of the stool is: if there is a God and He saved me for eternity, why?

Romans 11:36, "For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever!"
1 Corinthians 10:31, "So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God."
Matthew 5:16, "In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."

He created us to glorify Him. Plain and simple. Everything Christians achieve in life is a byproduct of glorifying God. You do good deeds to glorify Christ. Sharing the gospel is a form of glorification.

Would it still be Heaven?

“For the Christian, Heaven is where Jesus is. We do not need to speculate on what Heaven will be like. It is enough to know that we will be forever with Him.” – William Barclay.

The simple answer is No. You might be disappointed if you look forward to Heaven to avoid Hell. Heaven gets its value not in avoiding an endless dark void but in celebrating the glory of our creator and savior. Nothing else will do.

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